0:04 let's talk about this term degrowth I believe from my vantage point I have a more nuanced understanding than some do on this I've spoken to people like Jason hickle who I believe are really coming firmly into the mmt camp he's a strong proponent for a job guarantee now not the Ubi and it's just been an amazing transformation from my perspective watching him change but when I think of mmt I think of Bill Mitchell and so I wanted to get your perspective and again
0:36 you wrote extensively on this I really appreciated you taking the time to put this in writing but I figure for folks that maybe don't read as much maybe they would listen to a conversation about degrowth and its relationship with modern monetary Theory it's a complex subject and it's like all of these things it's an arena for misperception and fictions and there relationship between the dth movement and mmt it's quite unclear in my view
1:08 the way it is presented out there but it's not unclear to me and the way I think about it is that mmt is compatible with deep hard industry pollution and massive growth if you want it to be and it's also compatible with a highly sustainable strategy to reduce our Reliance on mass consumption and to divert our economic activity which we normally think is
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